listings hackmeeting discussed part of the Church and the relationship between hacking and politics. Rarely speak ... but then I told my ... I summarize what I have said, to see whether in this context, someone, even a passer, has something to say. The fact is that I have little time and then I just paste ..... 
hackmeeting in Parma ... you've probably heard .... Officially began to do so on September 1 ... New this year is that the opportunity has occupied a place. The hackmeeting has always kept in places (already) employed or self-managed .... but just the novelty is that this year has been hacked .... even a building in which to take note of the event. 
Dear Mary, what's the problem I could ask of you is not it?
course you do ... you should definitely do it if I, like you, to reiterate a behavior not shared by anyone in a certain area (like you do in AHA or elsewhere). Such behavior would be complain and say what has been said till you drop, things that we are not very interested or more and in a way that we do not share, and that is with a certain arrogance and sense of superiority and at a rate very similar to spam, and therefore absolutely without respect for others.
These things also tell her there as if we did not knew at all, and wrong here. You tell us as if we do not we share. And here are wrong. You tell us as if we were ourselves the target of your criticism, or as if under attack was our indifference to the analysis of the system that you do or criticize. But we are not indifferent.
You totally rule out the possibility that those things that you say we already know, forse qualcosa la condividiamo pure, ma non amiamo più discutere esclusivamente di questo, non amiamo discuterne nel modo in cui fai tu. Piuttosto amiamo agire, ideare nuove forme di comunicazione e dare risposte nuove non al sistema dell'arte che è al centro di ogni tua teoria, ma alla nostra voglia di dire e fare non solo in quanto artisti, ma in quanto uomini, molto diversi tra loro, con passioni molteplici ed opposte, che vivono all’interno di un sistema molto più grande del tuo sistema dell’arte.
Un problema è indubbiamente guadagnare con l'arte nonostante come giustamente riveli l'arte e questo sistema sono in antitesi,questo sistema non è però l'unico possibile ed io a differenza Your (I understand) I think it is right to safeguard even the job of the artist and the social achievements of cultures that you give to acquired and consolidated, and I did not.
Here I do not think money is the problem with art. I think the problem is money with their work. Art for me is a job like any other. And if you can not make it to Naples, you'll go to Milan, if you can not make it in the gallery of fashion, I realize in your shop, if you can not achieve it by painting canvases to be displayed in drawing rooms and luxury high-middle-class homes, the will you be content with exposing them to the house of a petty-bourgeois, a worker or even a tenuous. If you can not put it on display in the current art system, are other systems, or creating an your also able to eradicate the other system, that you judge not, without much talk.
regard to cultural achievements that have to do with the art system? The art and art culture seems to me that they have nothing to do with the current art system, as well as, to cite a current example, football has nothing to do with the system bushels.
You claim to be an artist to work in a bar for a living, you think this is the right answer to the problem of unemployment?
Here's an example of how you really only pretend to read and listen to others. Yes, because I never claimed to be an artist to work in a bar. E 'instead of something to which you made reference in a post in the AHA:
[aha] Those who disappear .... Wednesday, June 7, 2006
But since you ask me to answer you ... On a personal level the problem is not unemployment, but the survival and if I need to survive is obvious that I will do any job that I think any way related to my interests or acceptable. Especially something that I think I can get creative with this if it is the creativity to which I am particularly close .. You as an artist you have many more chances than others to survive ... surely you have more than me because odd degree in a field as Eastern Archaeology, which has nothing to do with the West, I have no possibility of svolegere my work except within certain systems "closed" and "barons" and thanks to them. Yet you complain you more than me!
Your sculpture, if you're a sculptor, or your painting, or anything you do know, you can offer it within the system of art but also outside. You can direct it to large salons frequented by critics and art enthusiasts to the coast, or you can direct it to the common people. Your art is in your hands. You shape the field and all matter can be and can be anywhere. What I know is ethereal, and I can direct it to anyone. Not all lo comprenderebbero. Soprattutto non posso praticare quel che so fare se non dentro certi circuiti. E, infatti, ho smesso. Non ho scampo e se voglio sopravvivere devo inventarmi qualcosa di nuovo a 30 anni quasi finiti.
Inventarmi continuamente un lavoro è quel che ho fatto. Non mi arricchisce, ma non m'impoverisce nemmeno, sicuramente non di spirito. Guadagno (per giunta poco) due mesi sì e 10 no, ma la mia dignità è salva e la mia creatività allenata. Certo non sono contenta, ma più che lamentarmi penso che la risposta che ho ideato è persino strategica perchè non mi isola (nell'antro della disoccupazione), ma mi unisce ad altri (nell'universo del fare anche fuori da un sistema). Non ho risolto il problema of "unemployment", but I solved the problem of my "what I do, as I speak, as I survive." Moreover, this answer, for reasons that I am not here to tell you, along with new responses developed by others, this corrupt system that could eliminate much more than they would criticize my criticism lonely and plaintive in that system. Critics' lonely and plaintive that you are addicted.
But you really believe you will solve your unemployment as part of that system? And if not why do you talk about unemployment in relation to the art system? If you do not want to be part of this system, if ever you would like to be part of it, why waste your breath criticizing and doing so legitimizes its existence?
Do you realize that your fate is tied to the WTO and the Treaty of Free Trade weblog Clinton? The convenience you try out (galleries / dungeons) or inside the house (nieces systems and Scholars).
Here ... ... you tell yourself you speak of convenience ...... Sometimes I think you should earn a lot with your art ... or that you're seriously on the cock (perdonomai the term) that you can not gain very much by other artists, in this integrated system, whose works unless you consider the bargain beautiful, interesting and innovative of yours. I hope so but I am wrong. And if I'm wrong but the problem remains and is the way you communicate at all .. understandable. You I say open heart ...
said that you realize what you are presumptuous in raising over me?
Ah finally you said ... those who put themselves in front of you that can not rise because you feel a step up .. The presentuosa would be me right? :-)
accuse me of myself stop? Very true, you feel bad? Accuse me of not acting, you seem a little?
No. .. I do not think bad governance and just ... and I even seem interesting, and this immobility not to act, if applied in a certain way, with a specific purpose. Unfortunately, your purpose is unclear. What is clear is that it continues spam in a serene space in which we confront on things that unite us, which continues to give us a share of your business and personal situations that are of no interest to anyone, not even for art ... those things that made that change the system of art and not create another even more acceptable ...
Stop watching what happens to you seems a little from the periphery?
No no .. it seems to me a lot and is a practice which has always been dedicated ... but look at the suburbs means to look down and your eyes are constantly turned up ... at that summit where I was saying ... Then it seems to me that you do not stop to look where I saw you there spammare le tue idee, cioè in rete, nelle mailing list e nei blog che frequenti...Se fossi veramente allenato a guardare, dovrebbe risultarti facile anche in contesti diversi dalla periferia... non credi?
Ti assicuro che non passo giorno senza coltivare la mia arte ed in maniera comunitaria la divulgo (regalandola) nel quotidiano.
Ti credo...non l'ho mai messo in dubbio...
Ti sembra triste?
Mi sembra triste che l'unica cosa che giunge a me di tutta la tua arte e la tua poetica sia il profondo odio-nostalgia per il sistema dell'arte...e soprattutto la lamentela che spacci per analisi critica. Non sarebbe forse il caso di fare self-criticism?
I think that this is an activist and artistic action and as you say, maybe even aesthetic.
This action which one?? Going to teach others the state of the art system? Even those who already know him, or does not recognize the legitimate and not, who does not consider any cares, who cares, who loves other systems or other systems not ... or call it what you want ...?
action creates reaction and the reaction should reveal something interesting and useful, should be used for something ... The action and reaction should reveal all the shadows, changing spaces, stop time, even move it, transform lines, warp forms ... to create systems, they should destroy them and replace them should leave ... or at least attempted. What makes your action? I'll tell you ... what I see is pure noise, provocation for its own sake, boredom and anger in those who also falls in your network. What's so creative about that? The wrath of the people that got to do with the system that condemns?
Want to see my art? Write me privately and send me your mailing address, will come at no cost to your doorstep and you will be free to judge, because it is the viewer who makes art, not the people or even the specialized media.
I would like to see more art in the way which you relate to others. In public, rather than in private. As the audience ... but who would? I'm not ok ... but the media are amazed when you say you are not even for the people where all people I mean the people ... and who is then the viewer?? A postal address?
The galleries of the rejection, the mine is not a lament, find me the testimony of a gallery I have found lust, I should never be exposed in a gallery / transnational private jail, but lament the fact that there is now another possible paths to go straight to do their job and when the viewer is over, the media specialist.
But how do you say such a thing when Haun in a place like the network, browse the blog and frequent mailing list? Have not you got nothing and the infinite possibilities that half and a space like this can give you anything to get anywhere and to anyone? See? I was right when I said you do not know ... What are you moaning ... You feel the original because it ignores that were designed for different paths to reach their work and their creativity to the people without being totally dominated and imprisoned in a system.
The only way that you know very well to get things, but undesirable, to anyone - your target is too varied to give meaning to your action - what is spam, it worse than it is produced here. The problem is that we do not even come to your work, but your mind and your critical ruminations obvious and not very original.
But maybe I understand. The problem is not to get your work to "all people", but getting it to "certain people"? Want to see what these people are attending the salons of the great private clubs of the art system?
say that the system does not count? If only it were so, I knew the legal warnings that I receive on a regular basis, certainly not ignore and denounce and comfortable, too bad you do not need to leave for nothing, but who is too free.
The system itself does not esiste. Esistono dei circuiti che fanno palpitare il sistema ed esistono coloro che questi circuiti sanno crearli e manipolarli. Tu ti soffermi sul sistema immagine e ti scateni contro coloro che lo creano e lo manipolano (e che chiameremo amministratori) , ma quel che conta invece è il cuore di quel sistema…il cuore del sistema è fatto di ingranaggi, informazioni, ma anche di persone, ad esempio gli artisti. Finchè gli artisti pensano che quello dell’arte sia il miglior sistema in cui operare, quel sistema continuerà ad esistere. Ma se gli artisti capiscono che quel sistema è il peggiore che poteva capitargli, quel sistema non sarà più sistema, smetterà di esistere. Gli artisti li convincerai però solo se proporrai them an alternative and not with words and criticism. Only if you reveal them, but with the facts, the contradictions of that system, its weaknesses. You must not only convince the artists are insecure, people like you, who have nothing to lose, but even those who are in that system and have success and take advantage of it or think they derive from it. Those on which the system rests.
If a system does not like you try to change it from within and / or outside. For example, I can identify the weaknesses of that sisema creatively and act on them. I use them to enter and take possession of part of space of that system, against the wishes of those who dominate, to express my ideas, my work, to circulate information from me. Can I get hold of some of those data, the relevant ones, and distribute them to all see and know the brand of that system, so that the people on which that system is founded becomes aware of the illusion in which he believed. But those figures are disclosed in that system and not out of your mouth as something "other."
But there is another possibility: to act out. Can I create my own system, bug-free, a light in the gears, the data available and accessible to all. Make sure that it works so well it is considered by most artists as a good system, the best there is, the more secure. The dominant system, slowly, slowly rot on himself. The least you made life very difficult.
you some concrete examples of when and how something is done?
Then think microsoft, linux think, think closed-source, open systems thinking, think of free software or even Luther Blissett, think of 01.org, a guerrilla marketing, Serpico naro and even to Saint Precarious
Sorry if you dare. And with affection that I ask you! Really deep. But where the hell do you live??? :-)
Eradicating the artist's ego and why? Too ethereal to prefer the pure material, and there is endless space (or virtual) without an individual perception of form.
Let's pretend that I have understood what you wrote. You speak to eradicate. The ego belongs to you, I would not ever get their hands on. But if I may suggest, and I do not care you should take note. Impormelo you should not do in an authoritarian manner as in AHA. I see nothing in the authority and the imposition of Art. Then I understand that you may regret to me that your ego does not care ... but you might as well go and find places where your ego and the ego discourse in general is welcome or not ...?
seems to me that we have to convert all ... and this is very annoying! But now we have done all the corn. Why
do not speak?
I did it! Do not you hear me?
Mario Foras in Pisco, south west of Sardinia.
Maria dressed ;-) from the heart of Campania
DEAR FISH FORE is as you read this and I wonder: 
I graduated, so long ago, in archeology and art history, but of distant times and countries (India and Afghanistan VI VI BC-AD) ... 
These days hackmeeting list was at issue in the next event ... if you do or less and especially where and how to organize it. As usual, like every year, there was talk of anti-fascism, and, like every year, parties are bickering, insults, accusations of trollagine between those who recognize the unique component of fascism as decisive and crucial event and who recognizes many other aspects , including anti-fascism but as a result of a hacking which is by nature against all forms of domination, against all forms of suppression of freedom of expression and sharing ... We quote a 
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