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Returning to the Church ...

Church has always been a hacker .... Both

when, as a kid, then crack and has paid the consequences ...

today and is a professional in security ....( Actually Cracka same but on commission and for other purposes)

Church still feels a hacker and is still considered such even by those who do not altogether agree with the choices .

What does this prove?

shows that the Church is whether the hacker "was" crackers and from what "is" and "does" today ...

And then? What do you want to show ... you ask someone?

I want to prove that the Church in recent years toward making judgments hackmeeting reasons having to do with anything but be with the hacking and hackers.

... In 2000, for example, wrote: http://news2000.libero.it/speciali/10625.jhtml

"I think the Hackmeeting is a unique moment in Italy, but in my opinion other manifestations of underground hackers around the world are more technical. I put myself in the shoes of the security professional who wants to upgrade. Where to go? Because in Italy there are the black hacks conference? Yes, l'Hackmeeting è un bel momento per rivedere i vecchi amici, per ascoltare un guru come Stallman , ma vorrei lanciare una provocazione: ce lo vedresti un esperto di sicurezza Ibm che partecipa a una conferenza all'Hackmeeting?Così come è organizzata, no di certo. È una manifestazione troppo politica e polemica e a me dispiace perché potrebbe diventare qualcosa di più. Per esempio attraverso un contatto con il mondo del lavoro. Intendiamoci, non con i brand, non con gli sponsor... Insomma, più informatica e più tecnica».

Ecco...ma che cosa c'entra l'hacking con i professionisti della sicurezza e l'Ibm?

E in che rapporto sono underground e mondo del work?

Today the world is full of security experts .... and companies that deal with the security of companies ... that sell security as a product and service ... What does this mean? That the world is full of hackers? That all are hackers? That you only if you work as a professional hacker? And

him because when he was kid and not professional and he felt security was still a hacker?

And here's another bug in the reasoning of the Church ...

In my opinion - I read it more and more I am convinced - in water on all sides ...

seems an angry black and upset about something ... his analysis is not glossy ....

Or

time passes and many forget ... Who knows what the Church is not one of these ...

I hope not.

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existed, Church and Politics

listings hackmeeting discussed part of the Church and the relationship between hacking and politics. Rarely speak ... but then I told my ... I summarize what I have said, to see whether in this context, someone, even a passer, has something to say. The fact is that I have little time and then I just paste .....

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Hacking and politics are inscindibili...dove per politica non bisogna intendere destra e sinistra, aspirare al potere, al governo...distruggere il potere o il governo.
Hacking non è sinistra e non è destra, non è rosso e non è nero...e ciononostante ha molto a che fare con la politica...in pratica...con la polis e tutti coloro che ne fanno parte, con l'agire all'interno della polis.
L'hacking manipola mezzi e strumenti assai delicati...In mani sbagliate sarebbe il caos e la perdita di molte libertà.
L'hacking è un mezzo e in quanto tale può essere utilizzato per vari fini.... L'hacking non è solo "sicurezza", come vuol far credere Chiesa, ma è anche l'esatto opposto...riguarda la gestione delle informazioni e dei mezzi to spread ... It 's a subject that has always been dear to the worst fascist too ... You can not speak of this medium without the problem of end ports ... ports without the problem of improper use fascist means. This is politics ... this is to be political! This does not mean to be a communist, red or frikkettoni. It means having learned from a piece of sad history ...
You can not talk about hacking without talking about politics and not to mention ethics and ethics always has to do with the behavior of individuals, the relationship between individuals, within society and the polis.
Hacking has to do with the information, freedom of communication and sharing. If the information the operating
in a few (as some would like) to go back to a sad past "political" (actually not too ).... past Hacking free information, distributes and this is itself a political act ... I am agree when you say a hacker does not need to rally anti-fascist banner ... but only because the original spirit of hacking (and not merely as a hacking tool) can not be fascist in nature and thus underline in red letters is redundant .... It 's like saying ... I repeat ... that "water is liquid."
The fascist nature, true, hackmeeting comes out, moreover, in my view, the arguments that are addressed within the event .... and especially the How are ... What happens in the event hacking is real and true ... TAZ actions ... not theories .... Everything else, what happens outside or on the walls of a building, you have seen, already digested, already loved, already hated .... old ... old .... to the point that even the so-called "cops" if they bump ... A fascist interested
no freedom, sharing and open access to resources and knowledge ... But if one was attracted fascist dall'hackmeeting (What is really strange), and then questions from loved ones for years at the event ... I do not see why ... I wonder what prevented from entering the hackmeeting not produce a fascist less and this would be a great victory ... Hacking transforms society and we hope he does well .... so I do not see a different way! The alternative would be the "soprressione" but we all agree that would be a fascist, no! The closure preventive or preemptive action are fascists! The history (the recent) teaches us. Obvious then that the fascists or communists or Qualcunque who beat and break the balls and not only .... no one wants them ... I think! But the one who takes up bill!
Church ... so ... he said things that even those who hangs out in or around you is saying for years ... This does not mean, however, that the Church is right!
a) Make a list of all the events they took part because it has a pocket full ... events which may take the only party who's got pockets full ... really has nothing to do with hacking but only with a pocket full ...... and even has to do with the "knowledge accessible to a few" ... that is, only those who are able and can afford it ... I do not think this has something to do with the true hacker spirit .... even from a historical perspective ...
b) to judge an event by a banner and a gate knocked down ... this is very simplistic ... and snub what is discussed within and presumptuous ... Many who went
Hackmeeting not share that banner and even the choice of striking deal .. but they are there and are giving their contribution ... What you're talking about Hackmeeting has nothing to do with red and white, right and left ... It has to do with the hacking and hacking in itself raises many policy issues .... I do not think that this is not the Church know ... The limit
hackmeeting perhaps lies in how and what to communicate outside the common people, beyond what the event is and does communicate to the people .... What? how to communicate it? What inspires in people? tones, which often takes are the right ones?
Personally I respect the Church for many things he did and many of his testimony / articles really interesting ... the Church is part of the history of hacking Italian ... someone does not like ... but who cares! But the worst thing I wrote in my view, is this ... although it is enormously helpful. Ok sobering, but the tone is bad ... ... But maybe this .... when we wanted him to last year has categorically said NO to the proposal to invite Raoul Chiesa Hackmeeting Neapolitan ... without making the rest of the good reasons ... alas ... democratic and anti-fascist ....

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CHURCH defected ....

I disagree ... but I report ...

can always discuss it soon and tell my ...

Why the wilderness hackmeeting Italian

Friday, September 1, 2006

Raoul Church

Today begins hackmeeting Italian. Hackmeeting should mean "meeting hacking, "and a meeting between hackers, and place in a determinatospazio. Meeting a hacker, for me, means encountering a miosimile, a person with my interests, in a neutral setting where they speak mostly edadatto hacking.

In Italy this is not the case. The hackmeeting ours is now, over the years, a political event, which speaks dipolitica and where does politics. That is the same right or left is not relevant, but it is a political event. It is absolutely true that digital latecnologia "invaded" by now most of our lives (public, private and professional), and it is equally true that it is necessary to pay great attention to the issues Security: Information, NCI, the e-privacy of citizens and users of cyberspace, security and government control over the city, growing in the wake of international terrorism. It is important to talk about it, discuss it, bring out the problems, make sure that we speak and if nescriva. But it is not occupying an abandoned building and hanging banners in the windows anti-fascists, who speaks of hacking. " Today, instead of going to Parma, leave to Darmstadt, where he will be held until Sunday mrmcd101b, that is the fifth edition of Metarheinmain Chaos Days (http://mrmcd101b.metarheinmain.de/index.html), a three-day hacking-oriented seminars and meetings organized dalCCC. The Chaos Computer Club hacker group is Europe's most historic, born more than two decades ago to provide a neutral view to the evolution of technology in the same social and economic fabric of Germany, and the consequent impact of security on everything. Notes to the chronicles of the CCC are the complaints to the inherent uncertainties of the BTX system - a sort diVideotel, very popular in Germany in the '80s and '90s - as well as GSM delsistema, when it was revealed Almondo the possibility of falsifying the identity the sender in an SMS message through the SMS spoofing technique, with detailed tantodi demonstration in 2001, Meeting just one of the Chaos. The first Italian hackmeeting I attended was that of Florence, that is the first of many, beautiful edizioni.Da then, it has become a fixture: I enjoyed as Catania in Turin and the 2000 edition of Rome also kept unseminario . Sonoinsomma not one of those who criticize without knowing COSAP. I am a long time friend of Asbestos, one of the founders and creator of hackmeeting radiocybernet, "turned around" on a BBS ECNalla late 80s and I respect the freedom of information spreading unarealtà as Indymedia. But despite everything, this year, I will not go Hackmeeting. Not for xenophilia - even if going from Italian to teach things to the Germans is still pleasure - but semplicementeperché in our country, these events it was decided to combine politics, and politics does not interest me. They are often invited to events comerelatore hackers, and in no other country I have found a connection so strong and over the politics in Germany, Switzerland, France, USA and Russia, as well as in northern Europe or Asia, have a meeting hackmeeting between technical engineers, geeks and professionals, nerd, lamer and guru. There is no classism, there is no politicization of hacking, there are no outside influences other words, there is only what happens in Rete.Un hacker is not equal to another, just like any other person is not equal another. The world of hacking includes different categories of hackers, but from what parel'intenzione hackmeeting is to represent only one, that hacktivism, the bedrock of political activism through the use of hacking. However, there are at least nine other types, macro-categories of hackers, surrounded by several sub-categories - I say this because for two years I am working on an open source project Hacker's Profiling - epenso is a shame that many people the digital underground Italian, just like me, over the years have decided to snub the hackmeeting, which is rather a good place to meet intelligent people and to exchange views and expertise. I consider this a serious shortcoming, Italian scenahacking a great talent and he sees few opportunities for socializing to meet and exchange ideas face-to-face. In the coming weeks there will be two other events, in many respects similar Hackmeeting our (as unconventional delsecurity business and conference costs are not accessible to most people), with excellent technical content Edun very informal environment : watch case, however, neither refers to the policy in any way. The first is the IT Underground (http://www.itunderground.org/en/conferences/it) underground/rome2006.html), organized by a group of Polish hackers magazine andthe Haking9 (http://www.hakin9. org /), which this year takes place in our country with an edition in Rome on 21 and 22 September, where the intention is precisely to raise the knowledge outside the narrow hacking around the 'elite'. The second event to which I refer is the NoConName a conference even "no name" - in order not to bear labels of any kind - to be held from 28 to 30Settembre Spain (http://www.noconname.org/congreso2006 . php). As for me, later this month will go to Hack inthe Box (http://conference.hackinthebox.org/hitbsecconf2006kl/), an event created by hackers Malaysian security, to demonstrate the criminologist Stefania Ducci the findings after the first two years of research of the Hacker's Profiling Project. The facets of the personality and psychology of hackers are so many of us, that the study of hacking it's an exciting task, but becomes almost destructive, so is the commitment it requires. I will explain to the public dell'HITB, the situation in Italy, and I shall see again those expressions astonished and amazed when I see capitadi answer to those foreigners who ask me "how the hackmeeting in Italy." (Raoul Chiesa)

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ABOUT THE CHURCH ...

hackmeeting in Parma ... you've probably heard .... Officially began to do so on September 1 ... New this year is that the opportunity has occupied a place. The hackmeeting has always kept in places (already) employed or self-managed .... but just the novelty is that this year has been hacked .... even a building in which to take note of the event.
The thing did not go down to many ... even those who are willing, in other situations, to occupy. No bigotry or moral ... only that someone seemed to take was more important to meet to exchange information and knowledge .... the political discourse (in the traditional sense) was more important to the speaking of hacking (which I believe is light years ahead and even involving political and social, but in a new and revolutionary).
But it seems ... just ... because you are ... so many things on the list if they do tell a thousand million tones at the end ... but then the weather is nice and who wants to exchange knowledge and information and wants to play around and talk about other things and just hacking it does the same and also very well ... Even Raoul
Church has expressed its opinion in this regard, although not involved in the event since 2000, because apparently the latest editions do not like at all.
His speech seems interesting to me ... even if they disagree. The dissident voices are those that generally do better reflect and inspire self-criticism (as long as you are honest with themselves ).... O thou repent or you convince yourself that your choice and your vision or are just ... that it is the right way to propose that perhaps should be reviewed. Well ... you ask endless questions ... first of all ... what drives a person to say such things? How do you perceive this person what I do and my intentions? Reading
Raoul Chiesa I had some confirmation .... not only about how he thinks, but also on what and how to communicate outside the hackmeeting. Maybe very bad. There are bugs in my opinion ... it rains ... but there are personal judgments, mere opinions on some aspects ... hackmeeting not cover the whole event.

I do not judge such "political" in a derogatory sense, so I thought I did Raoul Chiesa, all hackmeeting Hackmeeting just because it is a busy place and started an anti-fascist banner. These are strong signs of communication ... and we agree .... say exactly how he thinks those organizing hackmeeting, not necessarily those who participate. Three cats organize and participate in hundreds ... We can not disregard this reality .... Also ... you can be against the 'occupation' of a place because after all ... I know ... illegal ... risky .... But why be against an anti-fascist banner? Why an anti-fascist banner does not prevent you from going to a hackmeeting? Fascism has produced something good? Even the fascists were renamed .....!!! Fascism is evil!!
An anti-fascist banner headlines that welcomes you to an event like hackmeeting may be questionable (for reasons, for example, concerning the infinite potential of communication hackmeeting not always well used), but you do not speak ill hackmeeting and keeps you out dall'hackmeeting.
This is unclear to me .... I can not understand the attitude of a bubble event based on how one spoke, moreover, by phone (and there are hundreds with different visions) ... see attitude Masera journalist ... I do not understand the attitude of those who judge an event by just one banner and one deleted demolished (x fill) and reset the infinity of interesting seminars and materials that you swap in ... The
hackmeeting must be very self-critical, sure .... But I regret that the criticism received from the outside, which are always welcome, interesting and useful, especially when they come from individuals who are highly valued as Raoul Chiesa, are expressed in tones full of holes and making, Unfortunately, the contribution is less acceptable.